Oh yeah? Well that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4657?fbclid=IwAR2tk1PYLChDtou4mjVhcErCj_69sNkNZOvw-0R1ex7u02bEFzJOLbhnRgw

Illuminating the Illuminati: The surprisingly humble beginnings and even more surprising modern rebirth of the Illuminati

by Brian Dunning @ Skeptoid